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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159650062" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159650062">(Feb 28 2019 at 20:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> -- I just posted a <a href="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/compiler-steering-meeting/8588/43?u=nikomatsakis" target="_blank" title="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/compiler-steering-meeting/8588/43?u=nikomatsakis">comment to internals</a> requested feedback on agenda items for tomorrow's steering meeting. Sorry for leaving this a bit late. I'd love your feedback!</p>
<p>Here's the comment inline:</p>
<p>We have a steering meeting tomorrow. Here are is an array of possible topics that have come up lately:</p>
<ul>
<li>How to integrate "future compatibility warnings" into triage to ensure they "move along" at a more regular pace</li>
<li>The roles and expectations of "journeypeople" and "full members"<br>
    - We tried to explore this topic in the <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E02.2E28/near/159641541" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E02.2E28/near/159641541">last Meta WG meeting</a><br>
    - @spastorino is preparing a kind of summary of the questions we raised</li>
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<p>There are also a few things that came up that might fit better as "announcements", although maybe there is enough to discuss:</p>
<ul>
<li>Projects looking for support, are people available?<br>
    - Continuing the theme that <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/.2354818.20weekly.20meeting.202019-02-28/near/159626390" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/.2354818.20weekly.20meeting.202019-02-28/near/159626390">came up in today's triage</a>, around who might be available to help the RLS 2.0 effort get underway.</li>
<li>We're trying to build an "expert map" showing the various parts of the compiler and who knows about each one in the Meta WG, and would like people to take a look (no link yet, will be coming soon)</li>
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<p>Other suggestions, announcements, etc?</p>
<p>I mentioned "how to maintain the agenda" :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159650118" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159650118">(Feb 28 2019 at 20:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Probably best to leave comments on internals tho</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159650137" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159650137">(Feb 28 2019 at 20:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like I had more thoughts but those are all that came to mind right now, anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159697266" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159697266">(Mar 01 2019 at 10:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/compiler-steering-meeting/8588/45" target="_blank" title="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/compiler-steering-meeting/8588/45">https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/compiler-steering-meeting/8588/45</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159697588" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159697588">(Mar 01 2019 at 10:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>That was discussed briefly at the <a class="stream" data-stream-id="185694" href="/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta">#t-compiler/wg-meta</a> meeting this week. I'll be submitting a WIP PR to the compiler-team repo shortly writing up some of the ideas and thoughts from when this was discussed at the All Hands. I expect I'll need to make some changes based on feedback from the compiler team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159698290" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159698290">(Mar 01 2019 at 10:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/19" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/19">draft policy</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159703603" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159703603">(Mar 01 2019 at 11:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span>! I added some comments to the PR.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159715972" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159715972">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I created a hackmd to collect <a href="https://hackmd.io/wsHwsi9zR3iq0ZF2SgEq9Q" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/wsHwsi9zR3iq0ZF2SgEq9Q">Steering Meeting Agenda Ideas</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720103" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720103">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124287">@mw</span> is your sense that said policies would be a good topic for this meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720109" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720109">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm trying to firm up what to propose :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720186" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720186">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span>! Steering meeting in 5 minutes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720263" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720263">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> we could discuss it, yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720331" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720331">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>although I don't know if this would a be a topic that would need some preparation</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720351" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720351">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. people trying to go through the process and taking note of the questions that arise</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720429">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>that is partly what I was wondering</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720488" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720488">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1123">@WG-self-profile</span> will probably run into this soon</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720625" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720625">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, let's quickly discuss the agenda</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720645" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720645">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Here is a list of my thoughts:</p>
<ul>
<li>RLS 2.0 "call for involvement" (<span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span>, you here?), expert map -- 5 minutes</li>
<li>Draft policy around out-of-tree crates and dependencies -- building on the discussion from the all hands, <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/19" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/19">summarized here</a>. -- 35 minutes</li>
<li>Possible triage-like activities that we aren't doing (e.g., ways to address P-medium, ICEs, etc)</li>
<li>Future-compat warning policy</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720646" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720646">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> just started this <a href="https://hackmd.io/Izvor8KZRiqUgcUyd2CYTw" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/Izvor8KZRiqUgcUyd2CYTw">https://hackmd.io/Izvor8KZRiqUgcUyd2CYTw#</a> as a place holder</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720656" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720656">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah, nice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720658" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720658">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>couldn't add that to your agenda</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720716" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720716">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have some things written down, will fill when I can. Just wanted you to put a link in the agenda :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720753" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720753">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me is here, but will run away in 20 minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720759">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124287">@mw</span> is right that it'd be good to go over the out-of-tree crate policy a bit. We probably <em>could</em> use some prep, but I think we probably wouldn't get much of that anywaY :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720767">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>And in prtaicular there exist a fair number of crates that either exist today or will exist</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720784" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720784">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>So maybe it's good to review the proposed thoughts and add comments etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720799" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720799">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>given that matklad will have to go soon</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720824" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720824">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>should we consider waiting until after they leave to add/discuss add'l agenda items?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720828" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720828">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>If we have time, I have some other thoughts (what I wrote as "triage-like")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720888" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720888">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I mean this in the sense of "lets maximize the amount of time matklad can spend on the RLS 2.0 item)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720894" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720894">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, so, unless anyone objects, I propose we kick it off, and indeed we can start out with a brief discussion of RLS 2.0 "call for invovement"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159720956" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159720956">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>The summary being that at the end of the triage meeting yesterday, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span> expressed a desire to grow the set of mentors etc. I definitely think that "RLS 2.0" will be more successful the more people get involved.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721064">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>(<strong>Actually one interjection:</strong> I just thought I'd mention that the t-compiler/meeting alias is open to anyone who wants to get pings for these sorts of things, and said folks should just requested to be added)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721096" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721096">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, and there's the idea that sharing expertise between "RLS 2.0" and rustc would be very helpful to make the experiment more valuable.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721098" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721098">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not really sure what else to say about this though, not sure <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span> if you had other things you wanted to say?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721109" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721109">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>(cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="153740">@Igor Matuszewski</span>, btw)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721123" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721123">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess one thing we should mention is that we've been doing some video sessions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721131" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721131">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>recording walkthroughs of what rust-analyzer has today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721144" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721144">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>We are planning a discussion  next week about the type checker</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721199" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721199">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>There is a <a href="https://youtu.be/DGAuLWdCCAI" target="_blank" title="https://youtu.be/DGAuLWdCCAI">video up now</a> of the syntax tree stuff that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span> has done (which is quite cool)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721220" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721220">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I promise it will make you drool just a bit when compaerd with what it's like to manipulate HIR ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721236">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Question: do we believe that the T-compiler members interested in helping with RLS 2.0 have already identified themselves and have been added to the WG-rls2.0 ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721244" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721244">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, basically, there's <code>rust-analyzer</code> repo, it has documentation (guides and a couple of videos), a set of issues with E-mentor, etc etc. If you feel like digging into requirenments of IDEs, it's a good chance, while the code base is small and fits one's head :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721313" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Igor Matuszewski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721313">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I believe the E-mentor and these posted resources are key element moving forward if we want to expand the set of people involved/being able to mentor others</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721382" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Igor Matuszewski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721382">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Which is basically <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span> from me to what we're doing now)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721393" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721393">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've mentioned interest before, but I'll try to actually carve some time out tonight to jump in and start working on something.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721431" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721431">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe let me put my Question another way: Are we seeking to increase involvement from people who are in this meeting now? Or are we seeking to increase involvement <em>beyond</em> that?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721449" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Igor Matuszewski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721449">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll start digging into an issue <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span> kindly pointed to this weekend, so I'll dig in slowly as well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721483">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I won't have time in the medium term unfortunately. Pity, it looks really interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721542" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721542">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Are we seeking to increase involvement from people who are in this meeting now?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think so, yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721553">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I carved out some time two/three weeks ago, and am hoping to devote more time to it in the near future</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721634" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Igor Matuszewski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721634">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was doing some spring cleaning in the RLS these last weeks and should be able to devote more time now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721677" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721677">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>(side note, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span>, we should link to the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL85XCvVPmGQho7MZkdW-wtPtuJcFpzycE" target="_blank" title="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL85XCvVPmGQho7MZkdW-wtPtuJcFpzycE">RLS 2.0 video playlist</a> from the <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/tree/master/working-groups/rls-2.0" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/tree/master/working-groups/rls-2.0">RLS 2.0 readme</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721695" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721695">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, well, shall we move to next topic? There was one more very brief announcement.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721711" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721711">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span> , let's move</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721768" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721768">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> just started this <a href="https://hackmd.io/Izvor8KZRiqUgcUyd2CYTw" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/Izvor8KZRiqUgcUyd2CYTw">https://hackmd.io/Izvor8KZRiqUgcUyd2CYTw#</a> as a place holder</p>
</blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> is creating an Expert Map -- this HackMd URL is the holding spot -- that aims to document the parts of the compiler and who is a good person to ask about them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721782" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721782">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Please feel free to add things to it or add your name places</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721803" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721803">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's pretty minimal right now :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721838">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>The intention with this is to help people who are looking to ask questions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721863" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721863">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>But also (I think) to help us get started on documenting the overall structure of the compiler and so forth, in its own way</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721872" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721872">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>At least that's something I'd like to see written down</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721949" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721949">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway, if you have thoughts or suggestions, please feel free to give them -- we should create a <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/expert.20map" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/expert.20map">topic in <a class="stream" data-stream-id="185694" href="/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta">#t-compiler/wg-meta</a></a> I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721961" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721961">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Anything else to say on that?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159721973" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159721973">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>creating a separate topic for this is a good idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722118" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722118">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/expert.20map" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/expert.20map">Done</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722141" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722141">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>was going to do that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722149" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722149">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> you can add a link to the hackmd in there, at least :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722154" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722154">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, so on to the main topic?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722165" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722165">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> are you here?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722211" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722211">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="thumbs up" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="thumbs up">:thumbs_up:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722214" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722214">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, the proposed main topic here is to discuss a bit more our policy on out-of-tree crates, particularly those that we author. Existing examples would be things like polonius and chalk, future examples might be "libnag" (diagnostics), self-profiling, etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722281" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722281">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>We discussed this at the Rust All Hands and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> did the work yesterday of trying to codify that discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722292" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722292">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me likes "libnag"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722300">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Credit goes to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722356" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722356">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>We thought we might briefly take a look at that summary during this meeting and discuss it... probably it makes sense to summarize the high points here in thread? Should we all take 5 minutes to read it? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722365" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722365">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>Pull request link: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/19" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/19">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/19</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722424" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722424">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's not very long. You can view in <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/6d1a6a89761e1c042d0c97f3535328b82fd85c4a/procedures/crates.md" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/6d1a6a89761e1c042d0c97f3535328b82fd85c4a/procedures/crates.md">rendered form here</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722515">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>There's certainly some blank spots where things were mentioned in the meeting notes from the All Hands that I wasn't sure how to distil down into the document and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124287">@mw</span> has raised some good questions on the PR. I'm happy to go away and find answers any questions we raise about what is included in the PR currently and make any additions we feel are warranted.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722530" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722530">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think one key point for me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722536" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722536">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>is that we should try to make the experience "uniform" as much as we can</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722541" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722541">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am primarily thinking of:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722590">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>make sure that everybody can land PRs</li>
<li>that hi5 is active</li>
<li>that anybody can cargo publish</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722593">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>these are concrete pain points we've hit in the past</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722621" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722621">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>There were points in the All Hands meeting about what we could do from a tooling perspective to make out-of-tree crates as easy to work with but that didn't seem like it made sense to add that to the policy - since what we'd want out of tooling isn't part of the policy.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722641" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722641">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>/me likes "libnag"</p>
</blockquote>
<p>ps, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> and I both actually had the same concern about this name -- that (in English, to my ears at least) it carries a subtle gender connotation that is actually not great. This brings up another point: how do we pick the names?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722645" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722645">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd like a step-by-step guide that I can follow when creating a new crate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722654" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722654">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I don't care to debate the name of that particular crate at this meeting)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722674" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722674">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> I think "nice tooling" is jumping the gun</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722679" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722679">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>First step is to write down the steps to follow</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722694" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722694">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>(We can talk to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> perhaps as well)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722704">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>the guide for setting up a working group, for example, is very helpful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722744" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722744">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Once we know what the steps are -- and we've tried them out a bit to gain experience -- we can try to make a tool for it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722758" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722758">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, I think those steps should (where possible) include links to examples and things to copy-n-paste</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722783" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722783">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Regarding naming, I really do think we should have some "process" -- it does't have to be heavy weight -- but the names of things in rust-lang are kind of part of our "public facing appearance"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722791" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722791">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>And sometimes there are subtle issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722805">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>there's a statement in <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/6d1a6a89761e1c042d0c97f3535328b82fd85c4a/procedures/crates.md#what-should-these-crates-be-named" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/6d1a6a89761e1c042d0c97f3535328b82fd85c4a/procedures/crates.md#what-should-these-crates-be-named">What should these crates be named</a> that I want to also bring up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722828" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722828">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>"this isn't appropriate as the crate was actually intended to be general-purpose."</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722873" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722873">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>This is implying that if the code being factored out <em>isn't</em> very general purpose, then it <em>shouldn't</em> be factored out in the first place, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722919" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722919">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I'm wondering what the minimum bar for expected re-use is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722929" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722929">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I don't really believe that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722934" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722934">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>to justify making the step</p>



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<p>In fact, I'm a bit wary of trying to make the libraries <em>too</em> general purpose</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722980" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722980">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>because that carries a higher maintenance / breaking-change burden :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159722995" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159722995">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>and also potential for second-system effect, too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723067">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess this has to be decided on a case-by-case basis</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723094" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723094">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>for small crates that provide a re-usable datastructure I wouldn't call it <code>rustc_xxx</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723184" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723184">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>a name like this almost precludes that the crate will be used outside of rustc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723226" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723226">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>at least I wouldn't be confident in using such a crate for fear of breakage and changing interfaces</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723269" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723269">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>As an aside, I think we should absolutely follow semver to the best of our ability</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723278" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723278">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>In case that was in doubt ;)</p>



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<p>(But I have no problem with issues tons of major versions)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723367" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723367">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do we want to have a review policy similar to rustc?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723372">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we .. probably do?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723397">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Another question is, can those crates have reviewers who are not reviewers of rustc? Seems like...yes?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723412">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I think we .. probably do?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>by this I mean: we probably want to require reviews for major PRs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723418" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723418">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>huh, that's really tricky</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723423" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723423">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>You see why I'm asking :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723440" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723440">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723450" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723450">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I  like the idea of crates having their own communities</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723463">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>OTOH maybe we should just say that if you're involved enough in some crate to review for it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723466" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723466">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can give you r+ to rustc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723476" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723476">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would do the same for people who've made major contributions in one area</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723484">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>(under the expectation that they will use it responsibly)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723576" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723576">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>(though in the long run, having more libraries might offer us a way to have a more fine-grained notion of r+ that is appealing)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723584" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723584">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I think we should not stress about this too hard but it's more a question to think about :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723713">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Should we try to walk through an example?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723720" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723720">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>long term we may want separate tests within rustc repo of its "third party" crate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723728" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723728">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>rather than trusting the third parties to remain compatible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723762" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723762">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, so <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1123">@WG-self-profile</span> will probably create a crate for a mildly sophisticated on-disk string table</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723771" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723771">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>that crate will be used by the compiler and an external tool doing some processing on data</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723774" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723774">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>so it's a good candidate to split out</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723819" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723819">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>how would we go about this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723886" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723886">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>It does seem like a great candidate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723888" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723888">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>do t-compiler members already have the GH rights to create the project?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723895">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know, I can check</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723955" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723955">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>We immediately hit the issue of picking a name :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159723998" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159723998">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>is it best to jump to a rust-lang repo, or start in a prototype hosted in user repo?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724003">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I say go to the rust-lang repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724012">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>We can always "archive" it or whatever</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724023" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724023">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>There are things that would need added (licenses, CoC, etc.), things that would need set up (bors, highfive, etc.) and then how it is added as a dependency to rustc. So the process we flesh out should include a list of all those things.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724068" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724068">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yep, so presuming we settle on a name and add to the list, we create the repo and follow the steps to set it up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724076" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724076">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, do we have a guide on how to best add <a href="http://crates.io" target="_blank" title="http://crates.io">crates.io</a> deps to rustc?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724085" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724085">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think there's any discussion of that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724088" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724088">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I assume we'd probably want anybody on the compiler team to be able to <code>r+</code> stuff, but we'd probably only want "active participants" to be on the highfive rotation?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724101" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724101">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I <em>do</em> think that -- for a crate like this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724106" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724106">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's a great chance to have active WG members get r+</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724116" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724116">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., for more collaboration</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724141" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724141">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>just coming back to that earlier question :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724193" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724193">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>do we plan to automatically set up community infrastructure such as Zulip streams? (I'd say no)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724212" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724212">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that should be tied to the WG</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724216">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724224">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I say go to the rust-lang repo</p>
</blockquote>
<p>ps, do people disagree with this? :) (it's just my opinion, I'm open to other thoughts)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724251" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724251">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree because it will make things like bors-ng and highfive integration easier</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724259" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724259">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>right, also team permissions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724265">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724270" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724270">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically at the point where it would be in the compiler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724277" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724277">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>it should be in rust-lang</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724284" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724284">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would also say that I've <em>personally</em> found it more convenient</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724286" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724286">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>to start there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724297">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>whereas if it's in my repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724301" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724301">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>presumably its not hard to migrate from a user-repo to the rust-lang one, if one does do initial private development there?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724311">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's messier</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724348" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724348">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>presumably its not hard to migrate from a user-repo to the rust-lang one, if one does do initial private development there?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>it is easy to transfer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724369" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724369">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, so this is more like: there should be the option to start out immediately in rust-lang</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724378" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724378">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>because it overwrites the redirect =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724398" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724398">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>(you can email GH and they will fix it for you, i've done this e.g. for chalk, where I have a fork with a different name)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724425" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724425">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>We should make sure that the responsible working group and that it is a compiler team repo is mentioned somewhere. Most of the other concerns about setting things up will need some collaboration with the infra team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724435" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724435">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>do we have an example workflow written up somewhere on how to handle changes in external crates?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724482" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724482">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>(my Zulip desktop client started swallowing messages there, so apologies if that showed up for you half a dozen times)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724521" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724521">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>do we have an example workflow written up somewhere on how to handle changes in external crates?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>this goes with your earlier question -- seems clear we need a rustc-guide section on this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724552">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would also want to include (which we talked about earlier) guidance for how to make a local copy</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724553">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>for debugging</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724556" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724556">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>this goes with your earlier question -- seems clear we need a rustc-guide section on this</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Where do you think the line is for what is part of the policy document and what is part of the rustc guide?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724571" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724571">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>It would be great if there was a standardized way of indicating what team(s) and/or WGs are responsible or a given repo. Some of the infrastructure setup like who is on highfive and has r+ could be automated at that point.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724583" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724583">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the policy document should point to the rustc-guide for examples</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724633" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724633">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Where do you think the line is for what is part of the policy document and what is part of the rustc guide?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Heh, I was wondering about that. I mean .. maybe that stuff should just go in the rustc-guide, but otherwise I'd say "things that affect the code go in rustc-guide", things that are more "meta" are "procedures", and sometimes a procedure might reference the rustc-guide (e.g., "see checklist in the rustc-guide")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724638" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724638">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Setting up a out of tree crate is in the policy document and working with one is in the guide?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724641" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724641">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>this goes with your earlier question -- seems clear we need a rustc-guide section on this</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Where do you think the line is for what is part of the policy document and what is part of the rustc guide?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>change to external crates is something that comes up naturally during development, and does not seem to require questions of policy, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724649" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724649">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>versus setting up <em>new</em> external crates is policy</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724653" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724653">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>It would be great if there was a standardized way of indicating what team(s) and/or WGs are responsible or a given repo.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>To start I think we should have a template README that includes a link over to the working group etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724692" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724692">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> - there's probably a ton of interesting stuff for you in this thread.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724695" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724695">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>But <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> may have thoughts on that specific matter</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724702" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724702">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinx_(children%27s_game)" target="_blank" title="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinx_(children%27s_game)">jinx</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724747" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724747">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>a question we didn't answer yet: if someone wants to create a new crate, what do they do?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724798" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724798">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>where do they gather consent?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724823" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724823">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think the answer is: just create the project without asking :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724854" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724854">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724856" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724856">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, so, where are we at.</p>
<ul>
<li>Open a PR to the list of crates with name + proposal -- when does it get discussed?</li>
<li>Follow the checklist we create which includes:<br>
    - README, CoC, LICENSE, hi5 setup, bors-ng setup, document workflow</li>
<li>You can give r+ to people from the WG as appropriate</li>
<li>rustc-guide will document the steps to add to cargo.toml, have a local copy, etc</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724866" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724866">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>would it suffice as a T-compiler weekly meeting agenda item?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724870" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724870">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>where do they gather consent?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>so I created this "open a PR" step</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724871" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724871">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>(creating a new crate, that is)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724877" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724877">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it doesn't answer the core question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724883" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724883">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>would it suffice as a T-compiler weekly meeting agenda item?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724899" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724899">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>we <em>could</em> also use <code>@rfcbot fcp poll</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724905" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724905">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>would it suffice as a T-compiler weekly meeting agenda item?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I'd rather have something async here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724906" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724906">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think maybe it's overkill</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724970" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724970">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe both</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724989" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724989">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. for people like me that cannot manage github notifications</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159724994" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159724994">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd prefer an announcement/inquiry the T-compiler setting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725001">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think it makes sense to have async approval</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725005" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725005">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>For me personally, a ping in Zulip also works ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725018" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725018">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>But yes to all the above</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725026" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725026">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>We should outline the goals of approval here:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725046" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725046">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>"helping to pick a name that is suitable" came up</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725067">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess just some kind of sense for whether this is a "suitable" choice?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725112" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725112">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, is it sufficiently disentangled from the compiler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725132" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725132">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I sort of feel like there's a general presumption that if somebody <em>wants</em> to, it's probably a good idea, and we're looking mostly for a few people to argee?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725169" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725169">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I'd assume people would get to an agreement within the resp. WG before</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725170">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>and the compiler meeting is also an option</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725191" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725191">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>(to draw attention to it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725258">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>wow, this idea of walking through an example was pretty good <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124287">@mw</span> ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725259" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725259">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing about the compiler meeting: anything that is not a tagged GH issue is practically invisible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725261" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725261">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was going to bring that up in a separate topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725263" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725263">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>But yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725265">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, this would be a GH PR</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725267" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725267">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it'd be on the wrong repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725275" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725275">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>This is a general problem though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725283" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725283">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>about that: do we have a list of crates somewhere?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725289" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725289">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>about that: do we have a list of crates somewhere?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>oh, I sort of implied that we would add it to the compiler-team repository</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725299" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725299">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but maybe that's the wrong home)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725316" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725316">(Mar 01 2019 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>i.e., we should be able to have P-high issues -- but on some <strong>library</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>this feels like something we won't fully solve today, but I guess it's a "to do" item -- adjust triage to allow us to track this sort of thing?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725390" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725390">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Regarding list of crates, I do think we should have one. I am agnostic about where, but i'd prefer not the main repo, because I'd prefer to not have to go through bors.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725394">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>huh, yeah, having multilpe GH projects makes searching for issues harder</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725420" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725420">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>This is plausibly something we can also take to GH</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725424" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725424">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wouldn't expect "quick" action</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725426" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725426">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it feels like a legit use case</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725454" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725454">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>It also further argues for using rust-lang</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725456">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm sure this could be automated with existing GH APIs though...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725470" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725470">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Right, I was just thinking that the usual fix here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725473" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725473">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>is to create a "dashboard" that wraps GH</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725480" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725480">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's the kind of engineering project I'm trying <em>not</em> to suggest</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725481" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725481">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Isn't that sort of what <a href="http://octobox.io" target="_blank" title="http://octobox.io">octobox.io</a> is?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725485" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725485">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, can it do this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725488" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725488">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the compiler-team repo might be a good place to have the list. because I don't want to have even more repos :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725489">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I haven't used it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725490" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725490">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've never found that project very useful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725547" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725547">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>We shouldn't have a repo to contain the list of repos? <span aria-label="stuck out tongue" class="emoji emoji-1f61d" role="img" title="stuck out tongue">:stuck_out_tongue:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725548">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>but dont' get me started about notifications. I have a lot of strong opinions :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725566" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725566">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>From the screenshot it appears to have cross-repo aggregation with labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725583" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725583">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., it is basically defining "what is our jurisdiction"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725617" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725617">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway, we're out of time for today, but it feels liike this was really helpful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725661" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725661">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I think compile-team should be it :) It's the root repo for "where to find out what's going on with the compiler team", seems like a plausible place for this.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>also I just realized <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> was joking :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725663" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725663">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ordinarily I write-up minutes from the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725666" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725666">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, I have a question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725671" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725671">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I'm wondering if somebody else wants to take that on?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725676" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725676">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Ordinarily I write-up minutes from the meeting</p>
</blockquote>
<p>not really minutes, more of a "collected summary" (<a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/minutes/steering-meeting/2019.01.17.md" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/minutes/steering-meeting/2019.01.17.md">example</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725690" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725690">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm also ok doing it here :) but it occured to me that this is the sort of job we <em>ought</em> to consider sharing :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725728" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725728">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree but don't want to do it :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725739" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725739">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean this "laughter tears" emoji in both senses :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725797" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725797">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can write it up since I'll be going over this meeting for the draft policy changes anyway.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725870" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725870">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:07)</a>:</h4>
<p><strong>On, one last parting thing:</strong></p>
<p>I've created a <a href="https://hackmd.io/wsHwsi9zR3iq0ZF2SgEq9Q" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/wsHwsi9zR3iq0ZF2SgEq9Q">HackMd</a> to collect steering meeting agenda ideas. In the future, when something comes up, please add it to the list. I'll be taking a look at it from time to time and trying to collate / collect.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725888" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725888">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm trying to get a bit more organized about this so that we can actually have a post with the agenda a few days before the meeting, instead of a few hours :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725889" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725889">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Can you maybe allocate a github issue and then link such things there?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725948" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725948">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725958" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725958">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>analogous to what we do for the triage meetings on Thursdays?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725976" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725976">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I guess it's fine either wa</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725982" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725982">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll do the isssue to make the link easier :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159725987" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159725987">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>and compiler-team repo can point at it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159726026" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159726026">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>i just like having links in topics</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159726052" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159726052">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>since it is a piece of running context as the zulip-hosted dialogue moves along</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159726170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159726170">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay bye all gotta go!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159726209" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159726209">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks to everyone who participated! These meetings never fail to lift my spirits. <span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159727029" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159727029">(Mar 01 2019 at 16:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, I created <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/58850" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/58850">#58850</a> and retconn'd it into the zulip topic ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733315">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks for the ping! I'll split out a few threads to reply to various things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733461">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Right now it's not an active problem we have, right?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733477" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733477">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124287">@mw</span> concrete example are always good, did you have one in mind?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733486">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>do we announce somewhere that we want to create this crate?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733489">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Probably we want a list -- maybe in the repository? -- of compiler crates?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733491" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733491">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I meant the compile-team repository</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733500" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733500">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>nah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733504" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733504">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's just a bit annoying because then you still don't have your own fork, and it's hard to set one up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733508" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733508">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Let's assume yes for now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733512">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was thinking that a first step might be to open a PR to add to that list :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733520" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733520">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., how to build rustc with your own local changes applied</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733537" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733537">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>my personal branches are mixed with the "real thing"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733550" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733550">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah yes, that seems like a good place</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733581" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733581">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>a poll seems fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733585" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733585">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>namely so that we have a link in the title of the steering meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733591" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733591">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also like gh issues as a poor man's wiki</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733616" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733616">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or is the world deciding that this is an anti-pattern?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733659" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733659">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>There should be some mention of which working group and team are responsible for the crate.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733760" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733760">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> thanks! I was just thinking that I'd probably wind up forwarding you the same list anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733770" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733770">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was debating about that. I can certainly do it, though I think a page in the compiler-team repo might make more sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159733940" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159733940">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734161" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734161">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>let's say we already have a non-controversial name for it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734162">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Probably including a <code>cargo publish</code> to reserve the name?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734170">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., we should be able to have P-high issues -- but on some <strong>library</strong></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734219" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734219">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>we need to adjust our links</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734221" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734221">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think compile-team should be it :) It's the root repo for "where to find out what's going on with the compiler team", seems like a plausible place for this.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734223" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734223">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. in order to avoid multiple versions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734233" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734233">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would say: create a rfcbot fcp poll and, on Zulip, make a topic and ping some likely folks and try to get them to five feedback :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734309" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734309">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>you mentioned a PR to that list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734311">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., have a issue just to serve as info about the meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734339" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734339">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>because it lets me have a personal "fork"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734340">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. for performance testing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734492" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734492">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Anyway, we're out of time for today, but it feels liike this was really helpful</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I've certainly got plenty of things I can update the draft policy with.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734577" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734577">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>do we require to have standalone tests?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734624" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734624">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>:D</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734797" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734797">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>We should make sure that the responsible working group and that it is a compiler team repo is mentioned somewhere. Most of the other concerns about setting things up will need some collaboration with the infra team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734812" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734812">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>dad jokes are okay, as long as they not offensive</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159734995" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159734995">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Something really strange is going on with this topic. The old topic name keeps appearing with a few messages in it and the timestamps are off.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159735101" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159735101">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Messages I sent hours ago are showing with timestamps for five minutes ago.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159735175" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159735175">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159735329" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159735329">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is anyone else seeing this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159735338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159735338">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>And there's the other topic showing up again..</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159735861" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159735861">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>It looks like random messages have just been pulled out of the actual chat and had their timestamp updated to the last 20 minutes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159739308" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159739308">(Mar 01 2019 at 18:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe editing the topic wasn't so wise ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159796901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159796901">(Mar 02 2019 at 13:29)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/26" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/26">here's the PR with the minutes</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159797034" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159797034">(Mar 02 2019 at 13:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Apparently summarizing isn't my strong suit.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159814725" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159814725">(Mar 02 2019 at 21:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>We should make sure that the responsible working group and that it is a compiler team repo is mentioned somewhere. Most of the other concerns about setting things up will need some collaboration with the infra team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159814726" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159814726">(Mar 02 2019 at 21:05)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Anyway, we're out of time for today, but it feels liike this was really helpful</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I've certainly got plenty of things I can update the draft policy with.</p>



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<p>There should be some mention of which working group and team are responsible for the crate.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159899803" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159899803">(Mar 04 2019 at 09:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>namely so that we have a link in the title of the steering meeting</p>



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<p>dad jokes are okay, as long as they not offensive</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159899805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159899805">(Mar 04 2019 at 09:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or is the world deciding that this is an anti-pattern?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159899881" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159899881">(Mar 04 2019 at 10:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>ugh the topics for this steering meeting are <em>so</em> confusing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159903003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159903003">(Mar 04 2019 at 10:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>what the heck, did I accidentally cut-and-paste stuff?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159903091" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159903091">(Mar 04 2019 at 10:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh I see, something went wonky (as noted by <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> ), possibly due to the rename of the topic name</p>



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<p>or maybe is just a simple zulip bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159903110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159903110">(Mar 04 2019 at 10:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>(which is scary)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159904044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159904044">(Mar 04 2019 at 11:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I suspected it was due to them doing a rolling upgrade of 2.0 but it looks to have happened again this morning.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/159950663" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#159950663">(Mar 04 2019 at 21:06)</a>:</h4>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/26" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/26">here's the PR with the minutes</a></p>
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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> thanks! <span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span> I'll take a look</p>



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<p>hey <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> -- <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/26/files" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/26/files">your summary looks good to me</a>, the only thing that I might say is that there might be value in trying to summarize it not so much as a "conversation" but rather as a kind of "coherent proposal"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/160045630" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#160045630">(Mar 05 2019 at 22:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>OTOH, I'm happy to merge those notes, since I think we'd be creating something like that for WG-meta anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/160045801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#160045801">(Mar 05 2019 at 22:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd lean towards merging as is, there's a coherent proposal for that discussion in the crates policy draft.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.01%20%2358850/near/160045858" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E01.20.2358850.html#160045858">(Mar 05 2019 at 22:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>In any future summaries, I'll try to aim for a more coherent proposal.</p>



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<p>Sounds good to me!</p>



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<p>Also, thanks for doing that <span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span></p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> merged -- you want to post to the internals thread?</p>



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<p>posted, thanks!</p>



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